Potential Resource-Pages (from ASTRONOMY) to help people
who are asking "What does science say about the age of our world?"

This is a temporary page.  It's intended to be useful during the process ofselecting useful pages for the Origins Questionswebsite (*), but it will alsobe useful if you just want to learn about the topics.    {* If you want to be part of the "process of selecting" by evaluating pages and providing feedback, readthe reviewer's page.}

Here are some VIEWING TIPS:
to improve your understanding,
read pages in both columns, left (young earth) and right (old earth);
if you use a smaller font size,the two-column table will behave better in your browser;
italicized links areinside-the-page, non-italicized linksopen a new page in a new window;
AIG-linked is a non-AIG page linkedto by AIG, AIG-YE-claim is in AIG'spage for YoungAge Evidence;
words in [square brackets] are mypage-description (not their page-title) or my editorial comments;
titles in brown (on left side) werechosen by Ashby Camp for his links-page at TrueOrigins.org, and
titles in green & purple (on right side) are brief responsesfrom Neyman & Isaak,as explained here.

Topics with Red Titles(and pages in topic preceded by "•")are in the homepagefor AGE-SCIENCE.
Topics with Green Titles (and pageswith "•") are in ASTRONOMICALEVOLUTION - Age of Universe.

Within each section, pages are organized using multiplecriteria:  SIZE (shorterpages are earlier) plus READABILITYand/or VISUAL APPEAL (better isearlier), QUALITY (based on myquick non-expert evaluations; better pages are earlier, but this is oftentrumped by other factors), SOURCE(for example, YE pages by ICR and AIG are usually early, sincethey're prominent YE organizations), and SUB-TOPIC or AUTHOR (by grouping these pages together).

more age-science:  There are similar two-column pageslisting "potential resources" for Noah'sFlood and Geology and Radiometric Dating.

TOPIC-CATEGORIES in this page:

distant starlight   c-decay   white hole cosmology   apparent age   —   astronomy   Big Bang   red shift   CMB   dark matter   —   galaxy shapes   supernova remnants   star evolution   black holes   faint sun   shrinking sun   solar neutrinos   —   NASA & Joshua   solar system origin   extrasolar planets   planet problems   comets   astronomical cycles   planet magnetism   space dust   water on Mars   earth rotation   moon recession   moon dust   moon craters   moon-misc   —   Big Bang & Theism

The current links-page for astronomy — underdeveloped and needing expansion— is ASTRONOMY: AGE OF THE EARTH & UNIVERSE.

Currently there are no AnswersInCreation responses for astronomy, but Greg Neyman is planning to write these later. 


Support for an OLD EARTH & UNIVERSE

faraway starlight in a young universe — solutions?

• AIG - How Can We See Distant Stars in a Young Universe? [overview] * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/405.asp

faraway starlight in a young universe — problem?

• Newman - the problem  http://ibri.org/DVD-1/Tracts/lttmetct.htm

• Sharp - Distant Starlight Problem http://csharp.com/starlight.html

Stoner - overview  http://answers.org/newlook/NLCHPTR4.HTM#Top

Ross - overview  http://reasons.org/resources/apologetics/younguniverse.shtml Neyman - review of "The Answer Book" Ch 5, Distant Stars  http://www.answersincreation.org/bookreview/answersbook/abc5.htm

On the right are two links-pages (each contains both YE and OE views) asking how — if the universe is young — we can see light from distant stars that requires billions of years to reach us.  ("theology" is about Apparent Age)

THEOLOGY:  http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/aa.htm#theology
SCIENCE:  http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/astroe.htm#aa

measuring astronomical distances


measuring astronomical distances

• Lindsay - using geometry  http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/supernova_distance.html

• ABCs of Distance http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/distance.htm

Ross - recent data  http://reasons.org/resources/connections/2000v2n3/index.shtml#how_far

• TO-faq - Feuerbacher  http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/distance.html

decrease in speed of light (c-decay) — solution?

• AIG - says this argument is "doubtful, hence, inadvisable to use." http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#c_decay

• Aardsma (writing for ICR in 1988) agrees - http://www.icr.org/article/283

• Sarfati - Have fundamental constants changed, and what would it prove? http://www.answersingenesis.org/news/fine_structure.asp

Sarfati - What about the slowing and stopping of light?  http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/0201light_stop.asp

• Dolphin - overview & links  http://www.ldolphin.org/constc.shtml

• Bowden (1998) - Reports [within YE community] of the Death of Speed of Light Decay Are Premature * http://www.ldolphin.org/bowden/centj.html

• Fryman & Setterfield, a simplified explanation * http://www.ldolphin.org/setterfield/simplified.html

Setterfield, The Vacuum, Light Speed, and the Redshift * http://www.ldolphin.org/setterfield/redshift.html

Setterfield – [response to TO-faq]  http://www.trueorigin.org/ca_bs_02.asp

decrease in speed of light (c-decay) — critiques

• The speed of light has changed. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE411.html

• Physicists found that the speed of light was once faster. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE411_1.html

• Physical constants are only assumed constant. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE410.html

• Lindsay - http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/speed_of_light.html

• Deem - http://godandscience.org/youngearth/speedlight.html

• TO-faq (Day) - Decay of c-Decay - http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/c-decay.html

TO (Matson) - [analysis of logical inconsistencies, re: claims for c-decay]  http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-add.html#A6

• Ebert - historical http://www.magicdave.com/ron/Does%20the%20Speed%20of%20Light%20Slow%20Down%20Over%20Time.html

pscf - Pennello - [statistical analysis]  http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1993/PSCF6-93Pennello.html

Henke - Photon Transmissions between Stars and in Sun's Interior   http://www.answersincreation.org/photon.htm

the young-universe cosmology of Humphreys — solution?

• Tyler – review of Humphreys’ young-universe cosmology  http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/267.asp

Humphreys - Battle for the Cosmic Center  http://www.icr.org/article/304/53/

• Humphreys, Starlight Wars: Starlight and Time Withstands Attacks * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4389starlight10-10-2000.asp

• Humphreys, Seven Years of Starlight and Time * http://www.icr.org/article/446

Humphreys - responds to Ross  http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/543.asp

• Humphreys [links to pro-and-con pages] * http://www.trueorigin.org/ca_rh_03.asp

Humphreys [1997] - New evidence for a rotating cosmos - [Part 1] http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/509.asp & [Part 2] http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/493.asp

other possible young-universe solutions

Hartnett - [overview & slow earth-clocks] *
in HTML http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i2/cosmology.asp and PDF http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/docs/v17n2_cosmology.pdf

the young-universe cosmology of Humphreys — critiques

• Gravitational time dilation made distant clocks run faster. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE412.html

Ross - overview  http://reasons.org/resources/apologetics/trap.shtml

• Conner & Ross - critique of YU-cosmology  http://reasons.org/resources/apologetics/unraveling.shtml

Ross-Humphreys exchanges  http://reasons.org/resources/apologetics/humphreys_debate_statement.shtml

Phillips - [response excluded - intentionally? - from "links to pro-and-con pages" at left]  http://www.ibri.org/DVD-1/Papers/Timothy_Test/Timtest_Rejoinder.htm

• Woodside - Cosmological Curiosity [blog - neutral?] http://woodside.blogs.com/cosmologycuriosity/2006/07/index.html

the young-universe cosmology of Gentry - critiques

Scranton - Debunking Robert Gentry's "New Redshift Interpretation" Cosmology  http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/nri.html

Pitts & Gentry Series:
Robert Gentry has criticized Big Bang Cosmology (BBC) by claiming it violates energy conservation.  In a 3-article series — in PSCF
(the journal of ASA), December 2004, pp 260-284 — J. Brian Pitts defends BBC and criticizes Gentry's young-universe alternative (Cosmic Center Model of the Universe) by explaining why BBC's cosmic expansion does satisfy energy conservation; then Gentry replies, and Pitts counter-responds. http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2005/PSCF6-05Pitts.pdf
There is also a letter-response by Shane;  I'll look for it later, but the 3 pages above have the main content.


apparent age (if old features look young) — solution?

Morris - defense of "basic" apparent age  http://www.icr.org/index/article/1088

YEs haven't written much about the tough aa-questions, such as detailed starlight from supernovas;  in fact, AIG criticizes aa in their overview" above, How can we see..."

apparent age (if old features look young) — critiques

The universe was created with apparent age. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH220.html

pscf - Schier - Distant Stars & Apparent Age  http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1994/PSCF6-94Schier.html

West, Earle H. “Apparent Age” (55:4 [December 2003]: 222 31) -  http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2004/PSCF6-04West.pdf
   Nelson, Peter G. “Mature Creation” (55:4 [December 2003]: 222 31) - http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2004/PSCF6-04Nelson-old.pdf

Neyman - Created Light? [re: AA] http://www.answersincreation.org/clight.htm

Neyman - AA -- Did God Create with Appearance of Age? http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/drjohn/drjohn_21.htm

Don Lindsay - http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/apparent_age.html



principles of astronomy — (unconventional YE-science)

• Sarfati – Astronomy  http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/re1/chapter7.asp

Lisle - The Heavens Declare Creation  http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v1/n1/taking-back-astronomy

Lisle - Taking back astronomy  http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0711astronomy.asp

Lisle – What does the Bible say about astronomy? http://www.answersingenesis.org/radio/pdf/astronomy.pdf

• DeYoung - Astronomy & the Bible [FAQs, a few are age-relevant: moon origin, dinosaur extinction, star evolution, Big Bang, red shift]  http://www.answersingenesis.org/Docs/399.asp

current YE-astronomy

• Faulkner, The Current State of Creationist Astronomy * http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=research&action=index&page=researchp_df_r01

Faulkner & DeYoung, Toward a Creationist Astronomy * http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/28/28_3/starevol.html

principles of astronomy — (is conventional science)

These resources or something similar (if you know pages that are better) could be offered here for an introductory education, and then specific pages could be cited in topic areas;  as usual, selectivity is the key to quality.

• Roberts - http://lordibelieve.org/time/age7.PDF

• NASA - Cosmology 101  http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html

Wright (TO links to it)  http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm -- it will be useful for novices to have "tips for what to explore" because so much is available

• The universe is 6,000-10,000 years old. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH200.html

Big Bang — challenges

• Thompson, Harrub & May, The Big Bang: A Scientific Critique (Part 1) * http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/rr2003/r&r0305a.htm
• Thompson, Harrub & May, The Big Bang: A Scientific Critique (Part 2) * http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/rr2003/r&r0306a.htm

Hartnett-interview - Exploding the big bang!  http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i4/bigbang.asp

• Hartnett - Cosmologists Can’t Agree and Are Still In Doubt!  http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v16/i3/cosmologists.asp

Oard - [re: missing antimatter]  http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i3/antimatter.asp

Warraker & McIntosh - A different view of the universe [review of Arp-books] http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v14/i3/universe.asp

Gitt - astronomers attack Big Bang http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i3/big_bang.asp

Ham [re: theory revision] & Humphreys [re: pre-bang] http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4325news6-14-2000.asp

Ham - Were You There?  http://www.icr.org/article/670/88/

H.Morris - The Big Bust  http://www.icr.org/article/750/88/
The Stardust Trail  http://www.icr.org/article/850/88/
Cosmology on Trial  http://www.icr.org/article/872/193/
What Astronomers Don't Know
All Spaced Out  http://www.icr.org/article/852/3/
Cosmology's Holy Grail  http://www.icr.org/article/785/3/
The Coming Big Bang  http://www.icr.org/article/818/88/

Gentry -- his cosmology is in the "red shift" topic below, on the right side

Big Bang — conventional science

• basic ideas of BB  http://www.big-bang-theory.com/

• The big bang theory is wrong. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE420.html

The cosmos has an axis, contrary to big bang models. [re: Humphreys] http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE421.html

Explosions such as the big bang do not produce order or information. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE441.html

Where did space, time, energy, and laws of physics come from? [TO's response is also relevant for creation claims made by OLD-universe theists;  the bottom of this right-side column is a "Big Bang and the Bible" section with pages that will be used in another links-page -- we can link to it in this section -- although it might be useful if we link to one of them here, as a brief counter-response to TO]  http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE440.html

• Ross - Putting the Big Bang to the Test  http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/big_bang_evidences.shtml

• Deem - Rebuttal to "Ten Problems Against the Big Bang - http://godandscience.org/youngearth/bigbangrebuttal.html

• Phillips [in pscf] - The Thrice-Supported Big Bang - http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2005/PSCF6-05Phillips.pdf

• TO-faq - Evidence for the Big Bang - http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html

• Rusbult - entropy, disorder, and Big Bang [asks "why do things happen?"]  http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/astro-thermo.htm

• Neyman - Cosmologists Can't Agree? [re: Hartnett at left] http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/v16/TJ16_agree.htm

Neyman - Secular Scientists Blast Big Bang [re: Wieland] [both pages are similar, second is a response to Wieland at left] http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/2004/big_bang_attack.htm
• http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/2005/article_v27_i2_big_bang.htm 

• Berlinski, Was There a Big Bang? [re: what heppened before the beginning] * http://www.sidis.net/Commentary%20Magazine%20--%20February%201998.htm

red shift & Hubble Constant — problems?

Young - How is Red Shift Explained?  http://www.answersingenesis.org/Docs/399.asp#66

DeYoung, The Hubble Law * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v9/i1/hubble.asp

Oard – [non-Toppler redshift of Arp]  http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v14/i3/doppler.asp

Hartnett - quasar & nearby galaxy with different redshifts  http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0112quasar.asp

Snelling, Galaxy-Quasar 'Connection' Defies Explanation [red shift] * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i3/quasar.asp

Humphreys, Our Galaxy Is the Centre of the Universe [red shift] * in HTML http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v16/i2/galaxy.asp  & PDF http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/docs/TJv16n2_CENTRE.pdf

redshift (tired light) — solutions?

Red shift comes from light aging, not expansion of the universe. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE425.html

Wright - tired light?  http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/tiredlit.htm


cosmic microwave background — problems?

Lisle - Light-travel time: a problem for the big bang [re: CMB] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i4/lighttravel.asp

Hartnett, Recent CMB data supports creationist cosmologies* in HTML http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/microwave.asp and PDF http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/tj_151_cmb.PDF

Hartnett, Recent CMB data supports creationist cosmologies* in HTML http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/microwave.asp and PDF http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/tj_151_cmb.PDF

AIG - NASA & CMB & Big Bang http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/0214nasa_bigbang.asp

cosmic microwave background — solutions?

Neyman - WMAP & inflation [re: Faulkner] http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/aig/daily/2006/20060329_inflation.htm

Neyman - microwave radiation [re: Hartnett] http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/v18/TJ18_big_bang.htm


dark matter — problems?

DeYoung, Dark Matter * http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/36/36_4/darkmatter.html

Oard & Sarfati - No dark matter found in the Milky Way Galaxy http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i1/milky_way.asp

Oard - [re: Hubble Constant, dark matter] http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v9/i1/astronomy.asp

dark matter — solutions?

Neyman - No Dark Matter in Milky Way? [with 11 links about DM] http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/v13/TJ13_dark_matter_milky_way_galaxy.htm







galaxy shapes & distributions — problems?

Humphreys, Spiral Galaxies (and Supernova Remnants) * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/docs/starlight_snr.asp

McIntosh & Wieland – early galaxies with spirals http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i3/galaxies.asp

Rigg – early galaxies are mature http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i1/galaxy.asp

Rigg – early galaxies in long string http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i3/galaxies.asp

Lisle - Ripples of galaxies—another blow to the big bang   http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0216ripples.asp

Hartnett, [re: galaxy distribution, Arp] * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i2/heavens.asp

Coppedge – globular clusters  http://www.icr.org/article/3150/56/

Gitt - [number of stars] [just descriptive, no YE argument] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i2/stars.asp

galaxy shapes & distributions — solutions?

Galaxies should lose their spiral shape over millions of years. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE380.html

Neyman - galaxy ripples [and YE methods] http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/v19/TJ19_big_bang_ripple.htm


not enough supernova remnants — problem?

• Sarfati - not enough supernova remnants?  AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i3/stars.asp

also small section at end of Humphreys above (spiral galaxies & supernova remnants)

not enough supernova remnants — solution?

• There are too few supernova remnants for an old universe. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE401.html

• Neyman - not enough supernova remnants  http://answersincreation.org/malone_supernova.htm

1. Davies (YE) http://www.creationdiscovery.org/cdp/articles/snrart.html
2. Sarfati (YE) http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/248.asp
3. Moore (OE, FAQ for TO) http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/supernova/
4. Sarfati's reply? [surely he has done better than this, so we should look for it] http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?action=showthread&postid=36799#post36815

5. Moore's counter-reply http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/supernova/sarfati.html

star evolution — response

Samec, [stars forming in nebulas?] * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/438.asp

AIG - Were stars created? [nebula theory] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i2/stars.asp

Faulkner - [OE theories are OK for] Stellar Population Types * http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/30/30_1/StellarPop.html

speedy star changes  AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i4/focus.asp#speedy

Sarfati, The Sun: Our Special Star [overview-description plus YE arguments] * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i1/sun.asp

J.Morris - How Long Will The Sun Last?  http://www.icr.org/article/516/56/

star evolution — claim

The stars and galaxies are unchanging.   http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH370.html

Sirius was a red star 2,000 years ago and is a white dwarf now. [strawman? only by Hovind?]  http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE351.html

Helmholtz's contraction theory says the sun is young. [strawman?] http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE310_1.html

the earth is relatively young, about 10,000 years old or less. [point #5 is about changes in stars; this is mis-paced in the "earth age" page, but maybe they want to let readers know that it's not just geology/etc that indicates an old earth and universe] http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH210.html  

do black holes exist? — claim

AIG - [black holes = thermo-decay] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v12/i2/blackholes.asp

do black holes exist? — response

Neyman - Black Holes (Hovind)  http://answersincreation.org/blackholehovind.htm

a faint sun for early earth — problem?

Sarfati - Our steady sun: a problem for billions of years [and describes "flavor change" of neutrinos] AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i3/sun.asp

Faulkner, The Young Faint Sun Paradox and the Age of the Solar System * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/faintsun.asp
AIG-YE-claims http://www.icr.org/article/429/

a faint sun for early earth — solution?

The faint young sun paradox contradicts an old earth. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE311.html

TO (Johansson) - faint young sun - http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-solar.html#_Toc430357878

Neyman - Our Steady Sun: A Problem for Millions of Years? http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/2004/article_v26_i3_steady_sun.htm

a shrinking sun — claim?

is this a strawman that (since the early-1980s?) hasn't been used by any prominent YE advocates?

a shrinking sun — response

A shrinking sun indicates a young sun. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE310.html

[ strawman? (does AIG say "don't use this"?) ]

Lindsay -- http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/quote_eddy.html

Ross - http://reasons.org/resources/fff/2002issue09/index.shtml#suns_stable_fluctuations

Van Till - The Legend of the Shrinking Sun: A Case Study Comparing Professional Science and "Creation Science" in Action  http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1986/PSCF9-86VanTill.html

TO (Johansson) - sun's energy not from fusion? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-solar.html#_Toc430357875

not enough solar neutrinos — problem??

AIG - says this argument [*] "definitely should not be used." [and they say this in Snelling's old paper below, in a editor's note] {* the bad argument claims that "missing solar neutrinos prove that the sun shines by gravitational collapse [as in creationist claims, from the 1980s, about a "shrinking sun" in the topic above, thus showing that these two topics are related], thereby proving a young sun' }  http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#neutrino

Snelling (1997) - Solar Neutrinos: the critical shortfall still elusive  AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i3/neutrinos.asp

2/3 of the neutrinos cannot be counted —
YE (at least AIG) and OE both say "this is the solution"

The lack of solar neutrinos indicates that the stellar model is wrong. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE301.html

Lindsay - neutrinos -- http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/solar_neutrinos.html

Ross - neutrinos -- http://reasons.org/resources/fff/2002issue09/index.shtml#neutrinos

TO-faq (Johansson) - The Solar FAQ: Solar Neutrinos and Other Solar Oddities - http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-solar.html

Neyman - Missing Solar Neutrinos [too humble, not up-to-date?]  http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/cm/2006/creation_moments_06302006.htm


NASA and the "long day" of Joshua — not a claim

AIG - says this argument "definitely should not be used" so everyone (YE and OE) agrees that all Christians should not use this false "urban legend" argument.  http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#joshua

[we should find a page describing the history of this urban legend - did it begin as a hoax by non-Christians?]

NASA & the "long day" of Joshua — not a claim

NASA scientists found a day missing. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE010.html

Newman - Joshua's Long Day and the NASA Computers: Is the Story True? http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/joshualongday.shtml?main

origin of Solar System — problem?

Spencer, Our Solar System and Its Origin * [overview + YE challenges] http://www.biblicalcreation.org.uk/scientific_issues/SpencerSolarSystem.pdf

Parsons & Mackay - [history of ideas] Piθrre Simon Laplace: The nebular hypothesis http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v3/i3/ideas.asp

origin of solar system — solution?

The sun has most of the mass but little angular momentum of the solar system. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE302.html

Retrograde motion of planets disproves the big bang. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE260_1.html

Neyman - Watery Origin of Solar System - http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/2006/article_v29_i1_solar.htm

extrasolar planets — (is this age-relevant?)

Bernitt, Extrasolar planets suggest our solar system is unique [designed for us] and young * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/TJ/v17/i1/solar_system.asp

DeYoung, The Search for New Planets [and ET-life] * http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=444

DeYoung, New Stars, New Planets? * http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=403

Spencer, The Existence and Origin of Extrasolar Planets * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/extrasolar.asp

which of these YE pages are age-relevant ?   (some are mainly about "anthropic principle" fine-tuning design)

planets of solar system — problems?

Spencer - overview of planet-discoveries --> challenges to OE theories  AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i3/solar.asp

Spencer - [similar but more detail] * Part 1 http://creationanswers.net/astron/REVSS1.HTM & Part 2 http://creationanswers.net/astron/REVSS2.HTM

Snelling, Saturn's Rings—Short-Lived and Young * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i1/saturn.asp

Harris - How old are Saturn’s rings?  AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v12/i4/saturn.asp

Spencer, The Ringed Giants: Jupiter and Saturn * http://www.biblicalcreation.org.uk/scientific_issues/SpencerRingedGiants.pdf

AIG - [Jupiter]  http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i2/focus.asp

Sarfati - [Venus] AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v23/i3/venus.asp

Psarris - [Mercury] -- AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i4/mercury.asp

Psarris - [Neptune] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i1/neptune.asp

Psarris - [Uranus]  http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i3/uranus.asp

Henry - [Uranus energy balance] http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i3/uranus_energy.asp

Coppedge - [Enceladus, Saturn moon] AIG-YE-claims http://www.icr.org/article/3112/

Coppedge - [Titan, Saturn moon] AIG-YE-claims http://www.icr.org/article/2837/

planets of solar system — solutions?

these should be checked by YECs, to eliminate strawmen that aren't claimed by prominent YECs

Saturn's rings are unstable. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE240.html

The Rings Around Saturn Must be Young - http://godandscience.org/youngearth/rings.html

Venus's high temperature and atmosphere should have eroded its surface features. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE210.html

Io's great volcanic activity indicates a young age. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE230.html

Jupiter and Saturn are cooling too rapidly to be old. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE231.html

Three planets and several moons revolve backwards. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE260.html

We need OE responses to these YE claims.

comets don't last long enough — problem?

Sarfati - [overview of comets, Oort Cloud, Kuiper Belt]  http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i3/comets.asp

Faulkner - [similar to Sarfati's but longer] * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i3/comets.asp

Lisle - [Kuiper Belt] * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v16/i2/comets.asp

Faulkner - [Oort Comet Cloud] * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/oort.asp

Wieland - [Halley’s Comet]  AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v8/i2/comet.asp

comets don't last long enough — solution?

Comets would not have lasted in an old universe. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE261.html

Oort cloud and Kuiper belt are ad hoc fantasies of astronomers. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE261_1.html

Neyman - Comet Tall Tale http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/aig/daily/2006/20060506_comet.htm

Neyman - Fragile Comets  http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/cmi/article/2006/20060927_cmi_fragile_comet.htm


astronomical cycles in geology — response

this is OE claim, so we should find YE response;  also, probably this should be moved to the geology age-page

astronomical cycles in geology — claim

Astronomical Cycles [in geology] -- http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/astro_cycles.html

magnetic field of planets — problem?

Humphreys - [YE theory for planetary magnetism] http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/21/21_3/21_3.html

Humphreys - [magnetic fields of Uranus & Neptune] http://www.icr.org/article/329/

magnetic field of planets — solution?

these are YE claims, so we should find OE responses

space dust — problem??

apparently OEs are responding to YE claims, but is this a strawman that is not being claimed by prominent YE advocates?  or by non-prominent YEs?

space dust — solution?

Solar wind should have cleared the inner solar system of microparticles. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE280.html

The Poynting-Robertson effect would remove space dust in an old solar system. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE281.html

water on Mars — (is this age-relevant?)

AIG (2004) [NASA & origin of life]  http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/0304water.asp

Bates - [re: Mars geology, life origin,...] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i3/water.asp

Rigg - [re: life origin, meaning,...] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i1/mission.asp

Snelling - [water activity & geology, claimed relevance is in first & last paragraphs]  http://www.icr.org/article/3151/106/

Humphreys (1997) - [earth flood affects solar system] http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/203.asp

Ham - Was Noah a Martian? [commentary about attitudes, by scientists and others, toward YE views, but not much relevance for age-science] http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/0327news.asp

this seems more relevant for questions about the origin of life, so maybe move it from here to there, and for age we should just say "so what" ?




slowing of earth's rotation rate — problem?

J.Morris - [rotation faster due to flood?] [wouldn't tectonics & mountain-uplift cause slowdown? as with ice skaters]  http://www.icr.org/article/2591/194/

slowing of earth's rotation rate — solution?

Earth's rotation is slowing, indicating a young earth. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE011.html

Deem - The Slowing of the Earth's Rotation Rate Means the Earth Must be Young -- http://godandscience.org/youngearth/rotation.html

The frequency of leap seconds indicates a young earth. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE011_1.html

recession of moon — problem?

• DeYoung, Is the Moon Really Old? * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/moon.asp

Bowden - reply to TO-faq by Thompson  http://www.trueorigin.org/moonmb.asp

recession of moon

• The moon is receding at a rate too fast for an old universe. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE110.html

moon recession -- http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/moondrift.html

TO-faq - The Recession of the Moon and the Age of the Earth-Moon System - http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moonrec.html

moon (overview & origin) — problem?

Sarfati - [overview & challenges for OE] * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/moon.asp

Oard - [four OE moon-origin theories: giant impact,...] * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/docs/v14n1moon.asp

moon (overview & origin) — solution?

need OE responses for this YE claim

meteorite dust (on earth & moon) — problem??

AIG - says this argument "definitely should not be used," as you can see in the two pages below, and in their main page about "arguments we think creationists should NOT use."  http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#moon_dust

AIG - moon-dust argument no longer useful  AIG-YE-claims http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v15/i4/moodndust.asp

Snelling & Rush - [long] Moon Dust and Age of the Solar System * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v7/i1/moondust.asp

The two pages below are probably the same as those above:
Snelling & Rush - [YE pleas to stop using the moon dust argument] - brief and detailed pages, http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1372.asp http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/moondust(v7n1)/moondust.asp

meteorite dust (on earth & moon) — solution

An old earth would be covered by 182 feet of meteoric dust. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE020.html

There is not enough moon dust for an old universe. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE101.html

TO-faq (Thompson) - earth dust [acknowledges argument's rejection by some YECs]  http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moon-dust.html

Phillips - Meteoritic Influx and the Age of the Earth  http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1976/JASA3-76Phillips.html

Deem - dust on earth & moon  http://godandscience.org/youngearth/dust.html

Lindsay - moon dust  http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/moondust.html

EH - dust (earth & moon) http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/idp.htm

[should this be used, and if yes, where?]  McCullough - Meteorites and the Maker's Mortar [to bring materials] for Earth and Ocean  http://ibri.org/DVD-1/RRs/RR047/47meteor.htm

moon craters — solution?

Faulkner - [cratering theory] * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i1/crater.asp

Fryman - [summary of Faulkner talk] * http://www.trueorigin.org/dfonmoon.asp

Coppedge - [crater-counting methods]  http://www.icr.org/article/3139/

moon craters — problem?

I found these with google, so if you know anything better we'll use it:

Henke - Recent Impacts on the Moon? [error? "1/1000 per 1000 years" for ONE moon isn’t same as 1/1000 for each of our BILLIONS of people] http://answersincreation.org/moon_recent_impact.htm

moon (miscellaneous)

do YEs make these claims about quakes, flows, emissions, and volcanos?


J.Morris - [re: water on moon] http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1161

moon (miscellaneous)

Lunar moonquakes, lava flows, and gas emissions indicates the moon's youth. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE130.html

Henke - recent volcanos on moon  http://answersincreation.org/moon_volcanism.htm

Neyman - water on moon? (this seems like a "comment about the news" by Morris, so probably it will be cut) http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/drjohn/drjohn_97.htm





The resources at the right are among those that could be used in a links-page for Design of the Universe
(main topic) and (minor topic) Origin of the Universe:  http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/universe2.htm#i 

Some also might be used in Age of the Earth & Universe: Theology, http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/agetheology2.htm#i


Big Bang and the Bible — theistic implications?

Ross - Big Bang: The Bible Taught It First! By Hugh Ross and John Rea  http://www.reasons.org/resources/fff/2000issue03/index.shtml#big_bang_the_bible_taught_it_first

pscf - Goetz - Natural History in Seventy Words - http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2005/PSCF6-05Goetz.pdf

pscf - Johnson - 'In the Beginning...' I Think There Was a Big Bang! - http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1994/PSCF3-94Johnson.html

Sluder - God, Genesis and the big bang: The Origin of the Universe  http://www.kiva.net/~kls/page4.html

pscf - Philippidis - Cosmic Controversy: The Big Bang and Genesis 1 - http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1995/PSCF9-95Philippidis.html

Schaeffer - Stephen Hawking, the Big Bang, and God  http://www.leaderu.com/offices/schaefer/docs/bigbang.html

pscf - Bergman - Arno A. Penzias: Astrophysicist, Nobel Laureate - http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1994/PSCF9-94Bergman.html

Bontrager - The History of the Universe in a Nutshell: Reflections on 2 Peter 3  [but this is about much more than the Big Bang]  http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2005/PSCF12-05Bontrager.pdf